Saturday, November 15, 2008

Weird "pro-forum"

I was member of pro-forum or I believed it was some kind of pro-forum, but I was wrong.

I was quite guiet member, but sometimes I become inspired to there write same things as in my blog. But there was something strange on the forum what disturbed me very much, admins and members of forum (Rosiepops was some sort of head) talked lot about such antis like "Vile" or "Viv" or "Alsabella" or blogs like "Proud-of-PJ" "Viv's/Vile's blog" or "Supertroll-blog" (this was not anti-blog), they used lot of energy to discuss with some antis in the most strangest blog ever. Sometimes I looked at these blogs and there were hundreds of messages in them, in one blog? I just couldn't understand it all. I have read hundreds of blogs in my life and usually there are only few comments/post. Looks like those people who said that they want to support Madeleine, actually maintained these anti-blogs.

Suddenly it began to happen something strange on this forum, some members was banned, admins fight together, some left forum or were banned and new admins came in. Members disappeared more and more and one of them told me that her private messages had been spread, I didn't know what to think. It also irritated me that people were not honest there. Head admin of forum Rosiepops wrote in one message she send to me about "people who host this forum out, and that's why they have to be very careful what they say there". It was typical free net forum and anybody can establish same kind of if he wants to. Then one of my thread was moved to private section with artificial explanation. "We got report of abuse and that's why we had to move it".

I began to fed up all the lies there.

Then I took part to Gordon Brown- conversation and I wrote my opinions just like I was thinking, I talked about Martin Grimes, how he obviously set Madeleine's parents up together with PJ and how it was impossible that Gordon Brown and his cabinet could have been unknowing what Martin Grimes did and also Amaral and Christovao could not have been in their position without political support behind them. There had been cover up also in Jersey case too. Then all the admins of forum and couple of members attacked against me (I wasn't attacked against anyone of them, only against Gordon Brown and his cabinet and Martin Grimes).

They said that I disturbed their "perfect harmony" there and I was upsetting them and that purpose of this forum was not to solve what happened for Madeleine it was only "Support-forum"? (I hadn't seen much sign of it so much they used time to maintain these anti-forums)

But I didn't stop to writing because I had good arguments and good links. But then they just banned me and I couldn't read forum anymore or write on it.


So I was wondering what was happening. But I really wanted to know what was behind It because I was so confused and soon it became to clear for me that whole forum was pure lie.

I googled and found this thread. It was in 3A which is very hostile place full of sick and nasty people but I had noticed that sometimes when I googled I found some 3A threads where was also some interesting information.

This one also was different. Poster Spinpall had sent only 14 posts and he/she said Rosiepops has nothing to do with McCanns as those other 3A-antis suspected and actually Rosiepops was liar who had several identities.

No connection with the Mcscams whatsoever.

Rosiepops, Assassin, Muse, S ,Shano,Supertroll are all one of the same.
Check out the avatar in these links ... cd=1&gl=uk


Strange there is no reply from Rosie or any of her other clones on her blogs,
Hmmmmm, i also wonder why she keeping her shadowharmony site locked.
Time to turn the heat up and expose this silly b**** for the evil liar she really is.


I began to check links and really there was same avatar once again in every alias (except in last one, but homepage was same

Muse Shona and Shano really were one and same person (all linked together with avatars and homepages), but how about this Rosiepops' "Shadow harmony"-forum Spinpall talked about.

Very strange forum.

It was "S"'s forum, but looked like there was no this avatar anymore.

But when I googled again I found from Google cached (page was removed) this Shadowharmony's Madeleine-page where was text and post where was this Viv/Supertroll/Rosiepops/Assassin-stuff again. Now I had found link. Spinpall was right.

Then I realized. I looked at this Supertroll-blog (I found it from Google cached too). There was hundreds of messages from different posters in one stupid blog. Same names (except Rosiepops but Supertroll was Rosiepops favourite-blog she talked very often about it)

I found this name Assassin too and looked her/him profile and she/he advertised Rosiepops's blog www.sweetharmony. com

Then I finally understood: What was blog's name: SUPERTROLL yes Rosiepops really is Supertroll all of these posters are one and same person. She have tens of clones and she discuss there with her clones.

Suddenly I understood that also those "admins" of Justice Forum were one and same person. I also understood that all of those antiblogs (Proud of PJ Vile etc justiceformadeleine etc.) came from same source.

I'm sure only purpose of these kind of "support-forums" is in twisted way spy all these people who really want to find out find what happened for Madeleine and they all come from same source as these anti-forums too.

I had been only part of twisted sick and satanic game. And it really made me sick to think about it.


helenm said...

Hi Minnea,

You will recognise my name from the Justice4Madeleine forum. Just to let you know that I was one of the posters banned by that forum.

Am I to understand from your post that you think that Rosiepops and her alleged aliases are linked to Viles and the Proud of the PJ Site?

Minnea said...

Yes, I can see, all these sites have same source.

As I said I believe only reason to establish this kind of "pro-forum" was spy all those writers who want really to find out what happened for Madeleine and other missing children. This Justice4allthefamily forum was just reverse side this anti Justiceformadeleine-forum.

I found this Blackwatch's text and he tells about tactics they use, some alias's are nicer than other.

Also in 3A-Forum is based on same forgery, few people have tens of different aliases.

Another reason for these forums is to limit and silence discussion and lead it wanted direction. Also these lies and disinformation spread by these antis have since beginning prevented people to see what is obvious. They wanted to create this anti-pro arrangement, because it efficiently prevent people to see what is important and true in the middle of these lies. A common disinformation tactic is to mix truth, half-truths, and lies.

So we can see there have been very systematic and organized group behind Madeleine's disappearance.

It is better to stay from all these forums away.

Anonymous said...

have you tried the anagram of aSASSin.

Anonymous said...

Minnea, the anagram of asSASSin contains two names.
Sass ans Sian

Perhaps you have not looked deep enough?

shocked said...

start praying for guidance because you need it. your comments are insane.

Minnea said...

Oh this "Sass and Tulip", same stuff everyone. This Sass attacked against me on this forum too. I made thread about Bouchra's strange birth certificate but then this Sass attacked against me and insisted blog where was told about Bouhcra's birth certificate belongs for 14 year old dutch girl (typical attempt to silence discussion again) and it was not true. It happened all time, people were not honest there, they always wanted to stop discussion or lead it to wanted direction.

But then Tulip and Sass had "fight" with this Rosiepops/Supertroll etc...and they "left" forum.

And look what this Tulip writes:

"2. To the funny little anon who keeps popping up like a Greek Chorus: I speak Afrikaans, so I must be Southern Cross! I also know German, French, Italian and Latin. That makes me Adolf Hitler, Napoleon, Mussolini and Juluis Caesar. Have never posted anywhere under any name but Tulip and never once on the green blog. Sorry."

And look at one Rosiepop's alias:


As I said this is twisted and satanic game.

Minnea said...

"Rosiepops" and his/her tens of aliases has nothing to do with Madeleine's parents.

Rosiepops do not support Madeleine or Madeleine's parents.

But Rosiepops has lot of to do with those other antiforums. 3A, Proud of PJ, JusticeforMadeleine etc...

There is SAME GROUP behind all these forums. And they have hundred's of different aliases. It is very systematic and organized group. That's why they "attacked" there against each other. There is lot of threads about "Rosiepops" in 3A. It is artificial "war".

These "forums" are only smokescreen that ordinary people wouldn't see what's happen and wouldn't ask normal questions. They created this artificial pro-anti arrangement and spread all kind of lies, that people wouldn't see what's going on. And they wanted to control discussion about Madeleine.


Disinformation is deliberately misleading information announced publicly or leaked by a government, intelligence agency, corporation or other entity for the purpose of influencing opinions or perceptions.

Unlike misinformation, which is also a form of wrong information, disinformation is produced by people who intend to deceive their audience.

A group might plant disinformation in reports, in press releases, in public statements or in practically any other routine, occasional or unusual communique. Disinformation can also be leaked, or covertly released to a source who can be trusted to repeat the false information.

A common disinformation tactic is to mix truth, half-truths, and lies. Disinformants sometimes seek to gain the confidence of their audience through emotional appeals or by using semi-neutral language interlaced with threads of disinformation.

That means there was very powerful group behind Madeleine's abduction.

You better stay out all of these "forums".

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Minnea, the anagram of asSASSin contains two names.
Sass ans Sian

Your Anonymous Status Speaks Volumes !
Could you Not decide Which aliases
to use ?

This is about Madeleine & Other Missing Children, People like Myself Are trying to Help Raise their Awareness.

All You are doing is "Spreading Hate"
Tell Me How is this Helping Anyone ?
Shame on you :(

Minnea said...

What is troll. It is person who have several identities in virtual world. What is Supertroll, it is much worse than troll. And Rosiepops is Supertroll. You can see, she has revealed it herself. Do you understand? Or is she he? Because 0n Daily Express-forum Rosiepops was male?

"Identity trolling

In academic literature, the practice was first documented by Judith Donath (1999), who used several anecdotal examples from various Usenet newsgroups in her discussion. Donath's paper outlines the ambiguity of identity in a disembodied "virtual community":[10]

In the physical world there is an inherent unity to the self, for the body provides a compelling and convenient definition of identity. The norm is: one body, one identity. ... The virtual world is different. It is composed of information rather than matter.

Donath provides a concise overview of identity deception games which trade on the confusion between physical and epistemic community:

Trolling is a game about identity deception, albeit one that is played without the consent of most of the players. The troll attempts to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the group's common interests and concerns; the newsgroups members, if they are cognizant of trolls and other identity deceptions, attempt to both distinguish real from trolling postings, and upon judging a poster a troll, make the offending poster leave the group. Their success at the former depends on how well they — and the troll — understand identity cues; their success at the latter depends on whether the troll's enjoyment is sufficiently diminished or outweighed by the costs imposed by the group.

Trolls can be costly in several ways. A troll can disrupt the discussion on a newsgroup, disseminate bad advice, and damage the feeling of trust in the newsgroup community. Furthermore, in a group that has become sensitized to trolling — where the rate of deception is high — many honestly na├»ve questions may be quickly rejected as trollings. This can be quite off-putting to the new user who upon venturing a first posting is immediately bombarded with angry accusations. Even if the accusation is unfounded, being branded a troll is quite damaging to one's online reputation."

I can say to you, all admins of Justice4allfamily-forum are one and same person = Rosiepops. And Sass, she seems to be different person, but she belonged to same group and she used same methods.

So don't trust anyone who has been "admin" or still is "admin" there. This forum is linked in those hostile forums, Justiceformaddie, Proud of PJ, 3A, same group behind all of them.


What comes to Icon-forum is total different, WhyMadeleine and Sian are real people who really want to find out what happened for Madeleine, they do not try to stop discussion or lead it to wanted direction or tightens and threaten people and they have not clones. But they have had same problem as I have had, they are not sure who they can trust or who they can not trust, and we all have made mistakes in the middle of this hell organized by this hostile nasty group behind Madeleine's abduction.

Minnea said...

People of all kind of "Justiceformadeleine"-forums:

Before you stuff more these hostile messages (which I do not intend to publish) I would like to remark that it wasn't me who revealed Muse/Shona/Shano/S/Supertroll/Assassin are one and same person. It was this Spinpall:

I just found his/her message when I googled and realized it was true. And he/she wrote it Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:07 pm

So maybe you could change forum?

Anonymous said...

I used to post at the "anti" site run by "Viv" but my view wasn't anti enough so I was unceremoniously banned! (I believe the McCanns were terribly negligent and I don't like them one little bit, however, I never believed they murdered their daughter and that's what got me banned!). As ludicrous and extreme as Viv was, "Rosiepops" was just as extreme in the opposite direction (i.e; pro-McCann). Neither the Pro nor Anti forums were really forums at all - it wasn't about debate or expressing your opinions - you had to be one or the other .. pick a side and stick to it! It was more like joining a club, like the Masons or something, than having any actual debates. The idea that Viv and Rosiepops could actually be one and the same really freaks me out! But then again, I suppose I should just get used to it - you can't trust ANYTHING online!

Anonymous said...

I find it easy to believe Assassin, Supertroll and Rosiepops are one and the same, but how can Rosie be the same person (or part of the same group) as Viv and Claudia?? (who are hard-core "anti's")

Please don't be offended by my question. I genuinely want to know.

When I first met these "people", they were individual posters at the Daily Express. Eventually, we all gravitated to a "side", and the forums were formed. It's not like the forums popped up out of nowhere, ready to go. It was (or seemed like) quite an organic process.

Rosiepops and Viv were always strongly opposed and if the fights between them were simply acted (like u seem to be suggesting) then all I can say is the acting was incredibly consistent and believable! Not only that, but I privately emailed Rosiepops once or twice and her emails were incredibly believable as that of an older woman who was simply retired so could sit on the computer all day.

The idea that the whole kit and caboodle was set-up from word GO is shocking to me but I'm willing to believe the unbelievable if there is sufficient proof.

There were many, MANY posters at ALL the forums, so just how many "people" are u suggesting were in on the con? Furthermore, what was the purpose of the con? Again, I'm not being a smart aleck, I really want to know! If I have also been part of a satanic game (as u have said about yourself) then I would like the supporting information if at all possible!

You say it's the ppl behind Madeliene's disappearance? This makes my blood run cold and is very scary! I'm glad I got out when I did, if this is the case! But what "direction" were they trying to lead us in? Was it just anything to get us away from the facts? And if so, why haven't the McCann's and the police investigated this group? (assuming they haven't). If it was easy for you to expose defamatory URL's, why can't the police do the same thing?

Finally, I remember when Rosiepops' profile at the Daily Express listed her as "male". She complained about it because she didn't know how to change it, and insisted right from the start that she was female. Another user told her how to fix her profile, and soon she was listed as female.