I have found information that there is new abusers in Casa Pia. Casa Pia II. It is quite shocking.
I think this is very important article about Casa Pia II:
http://tinyurl.com/33ocpg
Here short quote:
" * There is still abuse the children from the Casa Pia employees and networks of paedophiles and has been open a new investigation. * The amendment of the Penal Code and the Code of Criminal Procedure has been motivated by the process Casa Pia. * Catalina Pestana initially believed in the innocence of Paulo Pedroso, but changed its mind. The interview is cut when starts to get interesting. "I have no doubt that there are still internal abusers in the Casa Pia. And I have strong suspicions that external networks continue to use kids of Casa Pia for sexual abuse. On May 10 (I went out to 11), the last thing I did was write to the Attorney-General of the Republic and tell you in detail the suspicions I have. I know he has opened an investigation, because I was heard. "- Begins the last published response, which follows the wish that the prosecutor" do not let this investigation remain at the bottom of a drawer. `A 'continues in the next edition 'creates expectation about what comes next."
Here is same information, important article too, everyone should read it.
http://portugalresident.com/portugalresident/showstory.asp?ID=22176
Short quote:
Updated: 18 October 2007 The latest moves in both the McCann case and the Casa Pia investigation also come days after explosive ‘tell-all’ revelations in the weekend broadsheet newspaper Sol by retired Casa Pia director Catalina Pestana, in which she claimed sexual abuses of minors within the state-run establishment for orphans and children at risk were “still going on”. In the first of a sensational two-part series of interviews, Catalina Pestana, who retired from her position as now defunct Governess or Prefect, Provedor, of Casa Pia in May, was quoted as saying: “I have no doubts that (sexual) abuses are still going on within Casa Pia in Lisbon.”
And here is still more information:
http://portugueselostchildren.blogspot.com/
The blogger lives in Portugal and in Portugal there has been (since Madeleine vanished) enormous and very aggressive hate campaign against Madeleine parents (reminds Nazi-propaganda in German). So you can see it in her/his attitudes sometimes.
But this blog is important, because it is for all missing children and it shows what happens in Portugal (and she/he is able to see it and she/he is able to call Portuguese politicians into question).
This was somewhere in his/her older posts:
"New abuses in the Casa Pia:
A sculptors house in Lisbon, where known artists and other figures use to be, is to be investigated by the Public prosecution service in the scope of the new case of sexual abuses involving the Casa Pia.
A 14 years old boy, received in the Filipe Cruz House, already gave declaration in the inquiry, that is lead by the solicitor João Guerra (magistrate that investigated the 2002 cases). The young accuses an educator, Pablo R., which will serve of intermediary, leading the pupils to related sculptor house. This case it is very recent and did not consist of the denunciation made in May by Catalina Pestana.
The Jose's acusations (fictitious name) are corroborated by other young ones inquired by newspaper "Sol" and that they told suffered abuses. The witnesses still make reference to reference the 2002 case: Manuel, of 16 years, relates to have been led by Carlos Silvino(now on trial for pedophililia) to a house in Lisbon - and is said can testify to the authorities. The educator Pablo R. - with who the "Sol" tried to speak, without success - he was suspended in the monday. The direction of Casa Pia(from whom depends Filipe Cruz House) also restored a labor dispute on grounds of discipline to an educator for breaking of the rules of monitoring in the institution.
SEEMS TO ME THAT THE CASA PIA HIGH LEVELS HAD TO BURN A MINOR CASE TO SAVE THE HIGHEST PERSONS INVOLVED IN OTHER PEDOPHILIA RINGS."
I could say:
1:That all is being done to innocent the bad boys and guilty the innocent.
2:The Casa Pia affair not stoped yet - another scandall with Cruz Filipe House(depending from Casa Pia).
3:That a new (taylor law) made to Casa Pia affair,will free the guilty
I JUST HAVE ONE THING TO SAY
I AM ASHAMED TO BE A PORTUGUESE CITIZEN"
Monday, January 21, 2008
Casa Pia: Children regularly disappear from the poorer streets of Portuguese towns and cities
I found more information about portuguese missing children (missing in 2006)
http://tinyurl.com/2zbwjh
Children missing: line opened 31 processes 2007/05/08 | 17:27 The line SOS Children Desaparecida, of the Institute of the Child Support (IAC), opened in 2006 thirty-one new cases involving minors missing was located 24, the news agency Lusa. The figures, revealed by the institute, show that in two cases the children were already found without life, seven in whereabouts remains unknown despite the joint endeavours of the IAC, Judicial Police and other police forces. Most of the disappearances reported, according to data from the IAC, relate to the leak of children (61 percent), especially at home but also to institutions where they are hosted. However, six cases fall within the concept of abduction by third and four in the parental abduction. From the statistical analysis of the series of 2006, the IAC states that the situation came to its attention by section (3 cases), via E-mail (12 cases) and, in particular, the line 1410 (16 cases). Of the situations reported, 19 were girls and 12 were boys. More than half of children (55 percent) as missing data had between 11 and 15 years of age (17 cases) and between 16 and 18 years (7 cases). In 2006, five cases were also reported concerning children between one and five years. In most cases (54 percent) minors resided in the district of Lisbon (16 cases), and that four disappeared in Porto, three in Faro, two in Setúbal and one in Viseu. According to data from the IAC were also reported four cases of missing children abroad, particularly in Brazil. The Institute for the Child Support, Portuguese only organisation that integrates the European Federation for Missing and Exploited Children Sexually, it has to work since May 2004 a green line (1410) designed exclusively for the withdrawal of disappearances. From 2004 until the end of 2005 were reported to the IAC a total of 48 cases of disappearances in 2006 and the line opened 31 new cases. These new cases were initiated in view of the five concepts adopted in 2001 by the Council of Ministers of Justice and Home Affairs of the European Union in its resolution on the contribution of civil society to the search of missing children and sexually exploited. Here you can find same information too: http://portugalresident.com/portugalresident/showstory.asp?ID=19001 Alexandra Simões, co-ordinator of the SOS missing child phone line for Instituto de Apoio à Criança, told The Resident that last year the institution opened 31 new cases relating to missing children. Of these 31 cases, five were of children under the age of six and 17 related to children between the ages of 11 and 15, with 54 per cent of children going missing from the Lisbon area along. Unfortunately, only 24 of the 31 missing children have so far been found and two of those were found already dead. Sadly, reported cases of missing children have increased since the SOS phone line was created in 1988. ***** So it means 7 portuguese children missing in 2006 are obviously still missing because this IAC report was given in May/2007. But I'm not able to find any information of them and who they are?
***** These kind of missings reminds me of about what happened in Portugal before Casa Pia-scandal came out.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,848412,00.html
"Investigators from the Swiss-based Innocence in Danger group, which claims children regularly disappear from the poorer streets of Portuguese towns and cities, say they too have been harassed and threatened."
http://tinyurl.com/2zbwjh
Children missing: line opened 31 processes 2007/05/08 | 17:27 The line SOS Children Desaparecida, of the Institute of the Child Support (IAC), opened in 2006 thirty-one new cases involving minors missing was located 24, the news agency Lusa. The figures, revealed by the institute, show that in two cases the children were already found without life, seven in whereabouts remains unknown despite the joint endeavours of the IAC, Judicial Police and other police forces. Most of the disappearances reported, according to data from the IAC, relate to the leak of children (61 percent), especially at home but also to institutions where they are hosted. However, six cases fall within the concept of abduction by third and four in the parental abduction. From the statistical analysis of the series of 2006, the IAC states that the situation came to its attention by section (3 cases), via E-mail (12 cases) and, in particular, the line 1410 (16 cases). Of the situations reported, 19 were girls and 12 were boys. More than half of children (55 percent) as missing data had between 11 and 15 years of age (17 cases) and between 16 and 18 years (7 cases). In 2006, five cases were also reported concerning children between one and five years. In most cases (54 percent) minors resided in the district of Lisbon (16 cases), and that four disappeared in Porto, three in Faro, two in Setúbal and one in Viseu. According to data from the IAC were also reported four cases of missing children abroad, particularly in Brazil. The Institute for the Child Support, Portuguese only organisation that integrates the European Federation for Missing and Exploited Children Sexually, it has to work since May 2004 a green line (1410) designed exclusively for the withdrawal of disappearances. From 2004 until the end of 2005 were reported to the IAC a total of 48 cases of disappearances in 2006 and the line opened 31 new cases. These new cases were initiated in view of the five concepts adopted in 2001 by the Council of Ministers of Justice and Home Affairs of the European Union in its resolution on the contribution of civil society to the search of missing children and sexually exploited. Here you can find same information too: http://portugalresident.com/portugalresident/showstory.asp?ID=19001 Alexandra Simões, co-ordinator of the SOS missing child phone line for Instituto de Apoio à Criança, told The Resident that last year the institution opened 31 new cases relating to missing children. Of these 31 cases, five were of children under the age of six and 17 related to children between the ages of 11 and 15, with 54 per cent of children going missing from the Lisbon area along. Unfortunately, only 24 of the 31 missing children have so far been found and two of those were found already dead. Sadly, reported cases of missing children have increased since the SOS phone line was created in 1988. ***** So it means 7 portuguese children missing in 2006 are obviously still missing because this IAC report was given in May/2007. But I'm not able to find any information of them and who they are?
***** These kind of missings reminds me of about what happened in Portugal before Casa Pia-scandal came out.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,848412,00.html
"Investigators from the Swiss-based Innocence in Danger group, which claims children regularly disappear from the poorer streets of Portuguese towns and cities, say they too have been harassed and threatened."
Saturday, January 19, 2008
Millions of germans in 1930-40's: Hitler is a wonderful leader!
One nasty comment more:
So millions of germans were absolutely right? Hitler was a wonderful leader?
80%, 90% even 99,9% of people can't ever be wrong?
DISINFORMATION:
Disinformation is deliberately misleading information announced publicly or leaked by a government, intelligence agency, corporation or other entity for the purpose of influencing opinions or perceptions.
Unlike misinformation, which is also a form of wrong information, disinformation is produced by people who intend to deceive their audience.
A group might plant disinformation in reports, in press releases, in public statements or in practically any other routine, occasional or unusual communique. Disinformation can also be leaked, or covertly released to a source who can be trusted to repeat the false information.
A common disinformation tactic is to mix truth, half-truths, and lies. Disinformants sometimes seek to gain the confidence of their audience through emotional appeals or by using semi-neutral language interlaced with threads of disinformation.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Disinformation
Murat, Malinka, Walczuch: Lot of questions, NO answers!
I found this. I think there is lot of good questions conserning Murat and Malinka. Why Malinka lied that he hadn’t spoken to Murat in over a year, but the phone records show he had exchanged several calls with Murat on the night Madeleine vanished and CCTV showed them talking in person in the days that followed.
"The Real Stig Says:
September 21st, 2007 at 11:30 am
Does someone have any information about the Murat - Malinka link. I have always thought it possibly the single most suspicious aspect of this case, yet I never see it mentioned or discussed.
I’ll recount what I recall and I would welcome any further info or corrections. I am just mostly going from memory here.
The PJ were pointed in the direction of Murat and detectives started following him around. They also obtained his phone records. They noticed that on the night Madeline had disappeared, Murat had made ’several’ calls to a 22 yr. old Russian - Malinka - who was called an IT expert. I think he mainly did web sites for people.
CCTV footage supposedly showed Murat meeting Malinka and having an ‘animated’ discussion in days following Madeleine’s disappearance.
Now this is the bit I could not believe when I first read it - it has to be one of the three biggest police bungles in this case. They had Murat’s phone records - which is how they got onto Malinka. I presume in following Murat they saw him meet Malinka or got it off the CCTV. I also presume they would have known Malinka was a computer whiz. So knowing Murat and Malinka had exchanged several phone calls on ‘the’ night and Malinka’s skills - they go and bring in Murat for questioning WITHOUT grabbing Malinka at the same time. So by questioning Murat they tip off Malinka, because questioning Murat certainly made the news. The following day, or several days later - bit fuzzy on this - Malinka HEARS that the police are looking for a Russian and goes to them - how sweet.
Every time I think about this I have to almost pinch myself to make sure it isn’t a bad dream. The police went to Malinka’s residence and seized two hard drives and a laptop. But according to a direct quote from a PJ they had all been wiped clean. If he knew his stuff, he wouldn’t have just reformatted the drives, he would have done security wipes of them overwriting every single bit on the drive - several times! But maybe he didn’t have times because this process can take hours if they are big drives.
The NSA and GCHQ/MI6 might still have been able to retrieve what had been on those drives, but this is only a child abduction and doesn’t warrant a national security scale effort. It is supposedly possible to remove each disk from a drive and meticulously peer at it’s surface through a very special type of electron microscope which can read what the bits were before they were wiped. My brain hurts when i think how painstaking this would be, though the spooks must have this sort of thing automated by now to be able to do it in any reasonable time frame, but I digress.
Modern day pedophiles, especially the really hard core nasties who have the most to hide, are very cunning, clever and organised. They have networks and share sick stuff with each other and cooperate in their repellent deeds, even to the point of passing kids around their networks. Excuse me while I throw up. To hide their dirty activities they have resorted to stuff like encrypting their emails and other stuff they send to each other.
The easiest way to read an encrypted email is to have the machine that was used to encrypt it because it will have the encryption keys and emails on it - probably in their unencrypted form as well.
Now a report in a paper purported that someone who had once worked with Malinka , said Malinka had boasted of having had sex with a minor. When questioned about his links to Murat, Malinka had supposedly said that he hadn’t spoken to him in over a year, but the phone records show he had exchanged several calls with Murat on ‘the’ night and CCTV showed them talking in person in the days that followed.
Apparently Murat supposedly claimed, when asked about his whereabouts, that he had been in bed at 11:40pm that night. The phone records show him talking to Malinka at precisely that time. But that’s perfectly Ok because it is easy to see how a 33yr old would be in bed by 11:40pm, someone who doesn’t have a 9-5, talking about his website problems.
I hope someone somewhere is looking at Urs Hans Von Aesch’s computers to see if he had ever exchanged emails with anyone in Portugal.
Early on in all this, when Gorden Brown first offered assistance, and if it had been me, I would have asked him to get MI6 to put surveillance on Malinka in every way possible. Not that I am suggesting for one moment he had anything to hide, you understand, or had done anything wrong. Just as a precaution.
But this is just a child abduction and not a national security issue, so it’s just dreaming.
Anyway, if anyone has info, like some of this has been discredited, I would like to hear, because this whole thing really bugs me more than anything else."
And why Malinka wiped clean hundreds of files on his computer hard drive minutes before police swooped on his apartment in Praia da Luz.
http://mdocuments.blogspot.com/2008/11/malinka.html
Why very nervous Malinka said in Sky news-interview: "I don't rape little kids. I'm a normal man." Has anyone claimed he rapes little kids?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,273475,00.html
Why Robert Murat hurriedly hired a car two days before he was arrested - despite already having two vehicles and why he lied Madeleines parents need to borrow his car? This was not true.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/1may7/18-05-07-Mirror-Transcript.htm
"Hire firm worker Maria Rocio says Murat rang her on Saturday and asked to rent a Hyundai Getz for three days, insisting he needed it immediately and could not wait.
Maria added: "Robert said to me, 'I need to rent a car for myself because the English people who are looking for the little girl need to borrow my car. They need to put information posters on it.'"
Maria said she told him she was about to shut for lunch - and he threatened to take his business elsewhere unless she let him pick up the car before she went. She said: "There was something about his voice, he was saying, 'I need to have it quickly.' His voice was impatient, I could tell from his voice that he needed it in a hurry."
Maria, who works for the Auto Rent III in Praia da Luz, was so confused over why Murat needed a third vehicle she contacted police."
In news there was said Murat had kid porn on his computer. It is illegal, why nobody arrested him?
http://tinyurl.com/6c9eec
Why Walczuch lied she was at a Jehovah's meeting in Lagos, four miles from Praia da Luz, on the night of May 3. But church elder Brother Teofilo Castila said: "She was thrown out of the church a year ago."
http://tinyurl.com/6c7gga
Why PJ made Robert Murat an arguido 14.5,2007 and 15.5.2007 PJ and Sousa announced they have no evidence to arrest Murat. I mean it is really strange, how often have you seen police investigates someone only one day?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/may/15/ukcrime.madeleinemccann1
Lot of lies, lot of questions and no answers. Before I get answers to these questions and many more (I post them later), I believe they all are involved Madeleine's abduction.
"The Real Stig Says:
September 21st, 2007 at 11:30 am
Does someone have any information about the Murat - Malinka link. I have always thought it possibly the single most suspicious aspect of this case, yet I never see it mentioned or discussed.
I’ll recount what I recall and I would welcome any further info or corrections. I am just mostly going from memory here.
The PJ were pointed in the direction of Murat and detectives started following him around. They also obtained his phone records. They noticed that on the night Madeline had disappeared, Murat had made ’several’ calls to a 22 yr. old Russian - Malinka - who was called an IT expert. I think he mainly did web sites for people.
CCTV footage supposedly showed Murat meeting Malinka and having an ‘animated’ discussion in days following Madeleine’s disappearance.
Now this is the bit I could not believe when I first read it - it has to be one of the three biggest police bungles in this case. They had Murat’s phone records - which is how they got onto Malinka. I presume in following Murat they saw him meet Malinka or got it off the CCTV. I also presume they would have known Malinka was a computer whiz. So knowing Murat and Malinka had exchanged several phone calls on ‘the’ night and Malinka’s skills - they go and bring in Murat for questioning WITHOUT grabbing Malinka at the same time. So by questioning Murat they tip off Malinka, because questioning Murat certainly made the news. The following day, or several days later - bit fuzzy on this - Malinka HEARS that the police are looking for a Russian and goes to them - how sweet.
Every time I think about this I have to almost pinch myself to make sure it isn’t a bad dream. The police went to Malinka’s residence and seized two hard drives and a laptop. But according to a direct quote from a PJ they had all been wiped clean. If he knew his stuff, he wouldn’t have just reformatted the drives, he would have done security wipes of them overwriting every single bit on the drive - several times! But maybe he didn’t have times because this process can take hours if they are big drives.
The NSA and GCHQ/MI6 might still have been able to retrieve what had been on those drives, but this is only a child abduction and doesn’t warrant a national security scale effort. It is supposedly possible to remove each disk from a drive and meticulously peer at it’s surface through a very special type of electron microscope which can read what the bits were before they were wiped. My brain hurts when i think how painstaking this would be, though the spooks must have this sort of thing automated by now to be able to do it in any reasonable time frame, but I digress.
Modern day pedophiles, especially the really hard core nasties who have the most to hide, are very cunning, clever and organised. They have networks and share sick stuff with each other and cooperate in their repellent deeds, even to the point of passing kids around their networks. Excuse me while I throw up. To hide their dirty activities they have resorted to stuff like encrypting their emails and other stuff they send to each other.
The easiest way to read an encrypted email is to have the machine that was used to encrypt it because it will have the encryption keys and emails on it - probably in their unencrypted form as well.
Now a report in a paper purported that someone who had once worked with Malinka , said Malinka had boasted of having had sex with a minor. When questioned about his links to Murat, Malinka had supposedly said that he hadn’t spoken to him in over a year, but the phone records show he had exchanged several calls with Murat on ‘the’ night and CCTV showed them talking in person in the days that followed.
Apparently Murat supposedly claimed, when asked about his whereabouts, that he had been in bed at 11:40pm that night. The phone records show him talking to Malinka at precisely that time. But that’s perfectly Ok because it is easy to see how a 33yr old would be in bed by 11:40pm, someone who doesn’t have a 9-5, talking about his website problems.
I hope someone somewhere is looking at Urs Hans Von Aesch’s computers to see if he had ever exchanged emails with anyone in Portugal.
Early on in all this, when Gorden Brown first offered assistance, and if it had been me, I would have asked him to get MI6 to put surveillance on Malinka in every way possible. Not that I am suggesting for one moment he had anything to hide, you understand, or had done anything wrong. Just as a precaution.
But this is just a child abduction and not a national security issue, so it’s just dreaming.
Anyway, if anyone has info, like some of this has been discredited, I would like to hear, because this whole thing really bugs me more than anything else."
And why Malinka wiped clean hundreds of files on his computer hard drive minutes before police swooped on his apartment in Praia da Luz.
http://mdocuments.blogspot.com/2008/11/malinka.html
Why very nervous Malinka said in Sky news-interview: "I don't rape little kids. I'm a normal man." Has anyone claimed he rapes little kids?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,273475,00.html
Why Robert Murat hurriedly hired a car two days before he was arrested - despite already having two vehicles and why he lied Madeleines parents need to borrow his car? This was not true.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/1may7/18-05-07-Mirror-Transcript.htm
"Hire firm worker Maria Rocio says Murat rang her on Saturday and asked to rent a Hyundai Getz for three days, insisting he needed it immediately and could not wait.
Maria added: "Robert said to me, 'I need to rent a car for myself because the English people who are looking for the little girl need to borrow my car. They need to put information posters on it.'"
Maria said she told him she was about to shut for lunch - and he threatened to take his business elsewhere unless she let him pick up the car before she went. She said: "There was something about his voice, he was saying, 'I need to have it quickly.' His voice was impatient, I could tell from his voice that he needed it in a hurry."
Maria, who works for the Auto Rent III in Praia da Luz, was so confused over why Murat needed a third vehicle she contacted police."
In news there was said Murat had kid porn on his computer. It is illegal, why nobody arrested him?
http://tinyurl.com/6c9eec
Why Walczuch lied she was at a Jehovah's meeting in Lagos, four miles from Praia da Luz, on the night of May 3. But church elder Brother Teofilo Castila said: "She was thrown out of the church a year ago."
http://tinyurl.com/6c7gga
Why PJ made Robert Murat an arguido 14.5,2007 and 15.5.2007 PJ and Sousa announced they have no evidence to arrest Murat. I mean it is really strange, how often have you seen police investigates someone only one day?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/may/15/ukcrime.madeleinemccann1
Lot of lies, lot of questions and no answers. Before I get answers to these questions and many more (I post them later), I believe they all are involved Madeleine's abduction.
Friday, January 18, 2008
I was banned in "Madeleine McCann not in Malta or Morocco"-thread
After this message:
"5917
Mabel-lucy Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:21 pm
thanks for the welcome jeannie are you the moderator?
i thought that robert was made argudo so he couldnt talk now they are saying he will get a million pounds when he talks
________________________
Mods and Admin
Mabel-lucy,
Welcome to Anorak, hope you enjoy your visit and return also.
We do have a lot of other threads going, which are much busier and livelier also.
But the format will be changing very soon, and there will be only one thread available to post on, and the best of the posts put up for Backlash.
For quite some time I was solo Mod, but we now have two more: Duncan R and Carmen, both very fair and reasonable people. June
******
So they "really" seem to be "fair" and "reasonable" persons (especially for Madeleine parents)
Carmen:
http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/179523.html?cp=1#comments
"Carmen Says:
January 18th, 2008 at 8:12 am
It would be interesting to know whether there has been any drop in the number of people applying to go to medical school now that the McCann’s have so throughly trashed the social status of being a Doctor.
Any comment from the Jewish Cronicle - are Mother’s still climbing over engineer’s and nuclear physicists to ‘bag’ a Doctor for their daughter?
There’s a good PhD in the making here for a social scientist."
And DuncanR
http://duncanr.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/madeleine-mccann/
And Karen:
I found this:
Registry Whois
Domain name:
anorak.co.uk
Registrant:
Karen Sorene
Registrant type:
UK Sole Trader
So Karen, are you same Karen? Is P. Sorene your husband? You seem to know as much as mods here and you behave like you should own this forum.
Another matter, what is really strange, is that you (mods) have some kind of "club" here and looks like you don't want anyone else disturb your little "funny" world.
Disappearance of Madeleine McCann is not "funny", paedophilia (especially linked in Portugal =Casa Pia, which still continues) and other missing children in Portugal is not "funny" too.
Your conception of world is quite twisted.
Looks like this forum is not so safe for posters too.
http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/179099.html?cp=59#comments
"1171
Cheryl Says:
January 8th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
1079
Cheryl Says:
January 7th, 2008 at 12:07 am
MODS AND ADMIN - JUNE JOHNSON
HERE IS THE ONE I REFERRED TO WHERE HE HAD STATED HIS THREAT AND CAPABILITIES AND THEN INTERESTING ONE UNDER THAT I’VE ATTACHED FROM YAMPSTER #718 RE HIS SUSPICIONS HE HAD OF SOMEONE DOING IT LAST WEEK ON HERE
698
Dr. Watson Says:
January 6th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Maria,
I once asked you to ignore me, please, I do not deserve your attention.
Jane,
Your comment is sickening. Perverting the course of justice is a criminal offence, people wgo cover up for criminals should be jailed. I call is justice, you state that as Nazism. I know you IP address, I know your other names your post under.
Do not abuse people. You do not want me to splash your real name abd e-mail across anorak. Once more, what you said is sickening.
718
yampster Says:
January 6th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
696
Dr. Watson
When I came on here last Friday and suggested that ’someone’ was collecting IP addresses and E-mail adresses for publication it was scoffed at. Now someone has finally admitted it. Thank you for vindicating me and my previous post"
It suprises me, you have sponsors and you treat your posters, those who want to search Madeleine, like rubbish. You treat Madeleines parents like rubbish and finally you treat little missing Madeleine like rubbish.
So Goodbye Anorak. Remember: As you sow you shall mow.
"5917
Mabel-lucy Says:
January 3rd, 2008 at 4:21 pm
thanks for the welcome jeannie are you the moderator?
i thought that robert was made argudo so he couldnt talk now they are saying he will get a million pounds when he talks
________________________
Mods and Admin
Mabel-lucy,
Welcome to Anorak, hope you enjoy your visit and return also.
We do have a lot of other threads going, which are much busier and livelier also.
But the format will be changing very soon, and there will be only one thread available to post on, and the best of the posts put up for Backlash.
For quite some time I was solo Mod, but we now have two more: Duncan R and Carmen, both very fair and reasonable people. June
******
So they "really" seem to be "fair" and "reasonable" persons (especially for Madeleine parents)
Carmen:
http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/179523.html?cp=1#comments
"Carmen Says:
January 18th, 2008 at 8:12 am
It would be interesting to know whether there has been any drop in the number of people applying to go to medical school now that the McCann’s have so throughly trashed the social status of being a Doctor.
Any comment from the Jewish Cronicle - are Mother’s still climbing over engineer’s and nuclear physicists to ‘bag’ a Doctor for their daughter?
There’s a good PhD in the making here for a social scientist."
And DuncanR
http://duncanr.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/madeleine-mccann/
And Karen:
I found this:
Registry Whois
Domain name:
anorak.co.uk
Registrant:
Karen Sorene
Registrant type:
UK Sole Trader
So Karen, are you same Karen? Is P. Sorene your husband? You seem to know as much as mods here and you behave like you should own this forum.
Another matter, what is really strange, is that you (mods) have some kind of "club" here and looks like you don't want anyone else disturb your little "funny" world.
Disappearance of Madeleine McCann is not "funny", paedophilia (especially linked in Portugal =Casa Pia, which still continues) and other missing children in Portugal is not "funny" too.
Your conception of world is quite twisted.
Looks like this forum is not so safe for posters too.
http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/179099.html?cp=59#comments
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Cheryl Says:
January 8th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
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Cheryl Says:
January 7th, 2008 at 12:07 am
MODS AND ADMIN - JUNE JOHNSON
HERE IS THE ONE I REFERRED TO WHERE HE HAD STATED HIS THREAT AND CAPABILITIES AND THEN INTERESTING ONE UNDER THAT I’VE ATTACHED FROM YAMPSTER #718 RE HIS SUSPICIONS HE HAD OF SOMEONE DOING IT LAST WEEK ON HERE
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Dr. Watson Says:
January 6th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Maria,
I once asked you to ignore me, please, I do not deserve your attention.
Jane,
Your comment is sickening. Perverting the course of justice is a criminal offence, people wgo cover up for criminals should be jailed. I call is justice, you state that as Nazism. I know you IP address, I know your other names your post under.
Do not abuse people. You do not want me to splash your real name abd e-mail across anorak. Once more, what you said is sickening.
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yampster Says:
January 6th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
696
Dr. Watson
When I came on here last Friday and suggested that ’someone’ was collecting IP addresses and E-mail adresses for publication it was scoffed at. Now someone has finally admitted it. Thank you for vindicating me and my previous post"
It suprises me, you have sponsors and you treat your posters, those who want to search Madeleine, like rubbish. You treat Madeleines parents like rubbish and finally you treat little missing Madeleine like rubbish.
So Goodbye Anorak. Remember: As you sow you shall mow.
Hunt of supporters of McCann's
Mods and admins (Agw, JuneJohnson, Carmen, DuncanR) of Anoraks Madeleine McCann not in Malta or Morocco -thread closed this thread and they did it in very aggressive way.
www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/174995.html
Four comments from users:
1.
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anthony Says:
January 16th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
this thread is being closed down,the mods decided a while ago to close iti am sorry for the child who is missing in heluva as she will not be the last one thats why it is important to find madeline mccann,to deter others from doing what you now see,we can only wait now for something to happen in her case,its not the mods fault as the world haslost intrest in the soap opera that her case has become,i hope she is still alive somewhere in europe and she will be seen again,
with the pj and people like the mods who no longer want to know, you may never see her again i hope not,
i will not be posting here anymore as i can get no more info from this site anymore as the mods keep deleteing posts that may yeild clues,we are left with rubbish posts of no use to anyone,
when her kidnappers do make a move i and others will be watching as i can keep an eye on her case while living a normal life,i hope to go and help look for her soon as the pj are closing the case and the press no longer want to know and most have lost interest,i may find nothing and may gain a little good intel that may help me,the trail is long since gone cold and the people who took her are well dug in,all you need is a tiny chink in the dragons amour and it can be slain,just a little clue or a name or a location and and we are off the starting blocks,
i would like to thank everyone who has posted here as i thought at one point one of you may find her such was the quality of the posts and the people who posted them,thereis nothing left to do now as the mccanns and the police have tried everything,only sraw dogs can find her now,
small prayer to saint anthony patron saint of lost things that someone finds a clue and the child is found safe.
yours anthony
2.
Isla Says:
January 17th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Hi all
It would seem that the forum is in now it’s death throes. Anthony, as ever insightful, saw the writing on the wall. I suppose it had to happen sooner or later. I had hoped it would have been sooner, that is with Madeleine being found alive.
Although I haven’t been posting due to family commitments/problems, I have followed the posts since I left the forum. I’ve been surprised by the mods approach towards a number of individuals. It seemed clear to me that a particular poster was deliberately disrupting the forum by hounding one poster after another in particular, laterly, Swissmiss. I’m sure that Anthony could clarify that for us! I’m also astonished at the mods stance in relation to libellous posts. Many individuals, in particular myself, have been cutting, pasting and posting articles from many newspapers and so on for months with no comment being made at all.
It has also been pointed out that this forum was considered to be an pro-parent forum. If that was the case was that such a bad thing? Was it such a bad thing for people to consider two people innocent until proven guilty? I think not. But more than anything was it really a
pr0-parent forum at all? It seemed to me that (mostly) everyone understood that the forum was about ‘Madeleine’, but sadly due to her plight there was very little that could be said about her at all, so it seemed natural that the forum would evolve and become a ‘finding Madeleine’ forum. In attempting to find Madeleine it was natural that the parents, their actions, their ever-changing situation would be considered because Madeleine, her disappearance and her parents are irrevocably intertwined. Many people ensured that data posted was from across the board, not just so-called pro-McCann, to acquaint everyone with all available data on the case - true/untrue - for/against. Many individuals also posted articles on other missing children/child neglect/abuse. This forum was considered to be one of the most constructive and informative ‘Madeleine’ forums of all. If there was any ‘focus’ on the parents it seemed to come from individuals, who had very little to say about Madeleine at all.
Anyway after all is said and done, I would like to take this opportunity to thank Anorak for allowing me/us to post on this forum. It gave us the opportunity to discuss and debate the profound issue of a little girl’s disappearance. It enabled us to meet other like-minded people and those who were nor so like- minded. As far as I am concerned it was an education on any number of subjects from child neglect/abuse, Press/Political agenda, Policing, paedophilia, human nature, hidden agendas, missing children, conspiracy theories, human psychology and so on.
I would also like to thank the mods, in particular June, for giving her precious time, support and advice.
More than anything I would like to thank everyone who posted on his forum for sparing the time to consider a missing child.
Finally, I would like to thank a number of people, too many too mention but you’ll know who I am referring too, that restored my faith in human nature. They came from around the globe, to unite on this forum, in an attempt to keep a wee girl’s name alive and made a great attempt to find her, to establish the truth about her plight and fight for justice for her and other vulnerable children.
As this WILL be my last post on this forum! I would just like to say that on the day that Madeleine is found alive I will toast her and her family at 9pm. As I do so I will think of you all too. Maybe you will join me, wherever you may be? If she found ‘otherwise’ I will pray for her and all concerned that day (and long after) and if she is never found either way, God forbid, I will never forget her or the many decent people that I had the great privilege to ‘meet’ on this forum.
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Daisy Says:
January 19th, 2008 at 8:58 am
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agw (Anoraks Moderator) Says:
January 18th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Daisy threw a flouncy fit and stalked off.
Fine. I have closed the door behind her and it may be permanent."
AGW,
Sorry to disappoint you, but I CLOSED the door PERMANENTLY!!! And do you know why? I have no interest whatsoever to deal with people sitting in an ivory tower who profess one thing but act completely differently. You and Mods are just people, nothing more and nothing less, but surely behave like superior beings, in my humble opinion. Should be enough fpor everyone. I have news for you: I don’t believe in superior beings!
( And, by the way, I hadn’t realized that you apparently have a new Mod, i.e. Karen … she surely acts like one.)
AGW, I stand by what I stated yesterday or any other day!
Good Bye For Good!
Comment of Anoraks moderator: I expect this hysterical, misguided and uninformed, twaddle is more than enough for everyone.
Daisy has left the the Anorak orbit. That WILL be permanently.
An antipodean tragedy…for other sites. -agw.
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jean Says:
January 19th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
I really must make a comment on the posts that are flying about here. This site was quite peaceful, going along in its own way, but along came the likes of Karen, who seemed intent on disrupting every single one of us who have posted on here for quite some time. Why on earth this site has attracted so much unpleasantness is a complete mystery to me. I have seen Chernier’s post on other sites but can’t really remember how he/she is placed. As I have said before, I can’t understand why so many people make so many nasty, uncalled for comments about the whole sorry situation. Am I missing something, or is my faith in human nature lacking in some way? I feel that the McCanns, although they did wrong in the first place by leaving their children unattended, should be given some sympathy from even the hardest of people, because, for God’s sake they have lost their beautiful daughter to God knows who, and are now paying the price. Surely that is enough for them to bear without the stupid comments that are posted on here, or is that your idea of entertainment??
To mods and admins: As far as your comment is concerned regarding 80% (published in the press no doubt!!) of the population believing the McCanns are at fault. I really think that is pie in the sky, the majority of people I speak to are in complete sympathy for the McCanns and all wish they could do something to help them find Madeleine.
(this comment was last, and it was deleted)
www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/174995.html
Four comments from users:
1.
"6137
anthony Says:
January 16th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
this thread is being closed down,the mods decided a while ago to close iti am sorry for the child who is missing in heluva as she will not be the last one thats why it is important to find madeline mccann,to deter others from doing what you now see,we can only wait now for something to happen in her case,its not the mods fault as the world haslost intrest in the soap opera that her case has become,i hope she is still alive somewhere in europe and she will be seen again,
with the pj and people like the mods who no longer want to know, you may never see her again i hope not,
i will not be posting here anymore as i can get no more info from this site anymore as the mods keep deleteing posts that may yeild clues,we are left with rubbish posts of no use to anyone,
when her kidnappers do make a move i and others will be watching as i can keep an eye on her case while living a normal life,i hope to go and help look for her soon as the pj are closing the case and the press no longer want to know and most have lost interest,i may find nothing and may gain a little good intel that may help me,the trail is long since gone cold and the people who took her are well dug in,all you need is a tiny chink in the dragons amour and it can be slain,just a little clue or a name or a location and and we are off the starting blocks,
i would like to thank everyone who has posted here as i thought at one point one of you may find her such was the quality of the posts and the people who posted them,thereis nothing left to do now as the mccanns and the police have tried everything,only sraw dogs can find her now,
small prayer to saint anthony patron saint of lost things that someone finds a clue and the child is found safe.
yours anthony
2.
Isla Says:
January 17th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Hi all
It would seem that the forum is in now it’s death throes. Anthony, as ever insightful, saw the writing on the wall. I suppose it had to happen sooner or later. I had hoped it would have been sooner, that is with Madeleine being found alive.
Although I haven’t been posting due to family commitments/problems, I have followed the posts since I left the forum. I’ve been surprised by the mods approach towards a number of individuals. It seemed clear to me that a particular poster was deliberately disrupting the forum by hounding one poster after another in particular, laterly, Swissmiss. I’m sure that Anthony could clarify that for us! I’m also astonished at the mods stance in relation to libellous posts. Many individuals, in particular myself, have been cutting, pasting and posting articles from many newspapers and so on for months with no comment being made at all.
It has also been pointed out that this forum was considered to be an pro-parent forum. If that was the case was that such a bad thing? Was it such a bad thing for people to consider two people innocent until proven guilty? I think not. But more than anything was it really a
pr0-parent forum at all? It seemed to me that (mostly) everyone understood that the forum was about ‘Madeleine’, but sadly due to her plight there was very little that could be said about her at all, so it seemed natural that the forum would evolve and become a ‘finding Madeleine’ forum. In attempting to find Madeleine it was natural that the parents, their actions, their ever-changing situation would be considered because Madeleine, her disappearance and her parents are irrevocably intertwined. Many people ensured that data posted was from across the board, not just so-called pro-McCann, to acquaint everyone with all available data on the case - true/untrue - for/against. Many individuals also posted articles on other missing children/child neglect/abuse. This forum was considered to be one of the most constructive and informative ‘Madeleine’ forums of all. If there was any ‘focus’ on the parents it seemed to come from individuals, who had very little to say about Madeleine at all.
Anyway after all is said and done, I would like to take this opportunity to thank Anorak for allowing me/us to post on this forum. It gave us the opportunity to discuss and debate the profound issue of a little girl’s disappearance. It enabled us to meet other like-minded people and those who were nor so like- minded. As far as I am concerned it was an education on any number of subjects from child neglect/abuse, Press/Political agenda, Policing, paedophilia, human nature, hidden agendas, missing children, conspiracy theories, human psychology and so on.
I would also like to thank the mods, in particular June, for giving her precious time, support and advice.
More than anything I would like to thank everyone who posted on his forum for sparing the time to consider a missing child.
Finally, I would like to thank a number of people, too many too mention but you’ll know who I am referring too, that restored my faith in human nature. They came from around the globe, to unite on this forum, in an attempt to keep a wee girl’s name alive and made a great attempt to find her, to establish the truth about her plight and fight for justice for her and other vulnerable children.
As this WILL be my last post on this forum! I would just like to say that on the day that Madeleine is found alive I will toast her and her family at 9pm. As I do so I will think of you all too. Maybe you will join me, wherever you may be? If she found ‘otherwise’ I will pray for her and all concerned that day (and long after) and if she is never found either way, God forbid, I will never forget her or the many decent people that I had the great privilege to ‘meet’ on this forum.
3.
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Daisy Says:
January 19th, 2008 at 8:58 am
"6167
agw (Anoraks Moderator) Says:
January 18th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Daisy threw a flouncy fit and stalked off.
Fine. I have closed the door behind her and it may be permanent."
AGW,
Sorry to disappoint you, but I CLOSED the door PERMANENTLY!!! And do you know why? I have no interest whatsoever to deal with people sitting in an ivory tower who profess one thing but act completely differently. You and Mods are just people, nothing more and nothing less, but surely behave like superior beings, in my humble opinion. Should be enough fpor everyone. I have news for you: I don’t believe in superior beings!
( And, by the way, I hadn’t realized that you apparently have a new Mod, i.e. Karen … she surely acts like one.)
AGW, I stand by what I stated yesterday or any other day!
Good Bye For Good!
Comment of Anoraks moderator: I expect this hysterical, misguided and uninformed, twaddle is more than enough for everyone.
Daisy has left the the Anorak orbit. That WILL be permanently.
An antipodean tragedy…for other sites. -agw.
4.
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jean Says:
January 19th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
I really must make a comment on the posts that are flying about here. This site was quite peaceful, going along in its own way, but along came the likes of Karen, who seemed intent on disrupting every single one of us who have posted on here for quite some time. Why on earth this site has attracted so much unpleasantness is a complete mystery to me. I have seen Chernier’s post on other sites but can’t really remember how he/she is placed. As I have said before, I can’t understand why so many people make so many nasty, uncalled for comments about the whole sorry situation. Am I missing something, or is my faith in human nature lacking in some way? I feel that the McCanns, although they did wrong in the first place by leaving their children unattended, should be given some sympathy from even the hardest of people, because, for God’s sake they have lost their beautiful daughter to God knows who, and are now paying the price. Surely that is enough for them to bear without the stupid comments that are posted on here, or is that your idea of entertainment??
To mods and admins: As far as your comment is concerned regarding 80% (published in the press no doubt!!) of the population believing the McCanns are at fault. I really think that is pie in the sky, the majority of people I speak to are in complete sympathy for the McCanns and all wish they could do something to help them find Madeleine.
(this comment was last, and it was deleted)
Tuesday, January 15, 2008
Third link between Joana and Madeleine: Paulo Pereira Cristovao
There is third link between Joana Cipriano and Madeleine-cases. (Two others are Amaral and Encarnação).
He is Ex-Chief Inspector PAULO PEREIRA CRISTOVAO
THE top cop in the Madeleine McCann case has been accused of covering up evidence that police tortured the mother of another missing girl into confessing to murder.
Leonor Cipriano later recanted her confession, but is serving 16 years’ jail for the murder of her daughter, who vanished in Portugal’s Algarve region three years ago.
The body of Joana Cipriano, 8, has never been found.
Chief Inspector Goncalo Amaral, who heads the Policia Judiciaria in Portimao — the nearest town to Praia da Luz, from where Madeleine vanished — could appear before a secret criminal hearing as early as next month.
He is accused of concealing evidence over allegations that three of his colleagues tortured Cipriano, over 48 hours’ continuous interrogation, to secure a confession.
All four — and a fifth accused of fabricating evidence — deny the allegations. They say Cipriano was injured when she tried to kill herself by throwing herself down police station stairs.
Portugal’s police have faced increasing criticism of their handling of the McCann case. Cipriano was unable to pick out any assailants from among the accused officers. Sources say the prosecutor is now investigating the allegation that police paid outside thugs to beat her up.
One of the police officers accused of involvement in torture in the Cipriano case is recently retired chief inspector Paulo Pereira Cristovao.
He has been writing a daily column on the Madeleine case for a Portuguese newspaper that has been reporting sensational stories leaked by sources close to the police inquiry, some of which have later proved untrue. He makes it clear he considers the McCanns are probably responsible for Madeleine’s death or disappearance.
Like Chief Insp Amaral, he denies all wrongdoing in the Cipriano case."
So Chief Inspector Paulo Pereira Cristovao, who writes for a Portuguese newspaper Diário de Noticias false stories about the McCann case, is alleged to have been one of the torturers in the Cipriano case. And after that he DARED to write a book about Joana Cipriano (very sensational of course, full of propaganda against Joana's mother just like these columns he has written against McCann's)
"Also book tells of the generosity and commitment of these police that behind the apparent bluntness and irony that mark their bonds of companionship, show its deep humanity." (Google-translation)
Don't know what to say when I´m reading this kind of rubbish.
And now (since December 2007) he's a HEAD of Portugal's new foundation for missing children (Portuguese Association for Missing Children)???
I don´t know what to say again.... I feel there is no justice left in Portugal, just corruption, nothing else.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=501093&in_page_id=1770
Article above is very insulting and aggressive and it shows how disgusting (this is my opinion of him) guy he really is, full of lies and hate against Madeleine's parents.
I believe and I'm sure Joana's mother was a victim of terrible miscarriage of justice. PJ attacked to her to cover the truth about Joana's disappearance and Joana's mother had no chance to defend herself against this huge lynch and propaganda machine, because she is portuguese. Amaral has been accused of covering up evidence in her case. So what were these evidence Amaral covered up? Proved they Joana's mother innocence?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/multimedia/pa/article268226.ece
Amaral has changed to Rebelo, but nothing changed. They all are same stuff in PJ.
I hope somebody could help Joana's mother and saved her from jail. She has suffered all too much.
He is Ex-Chief Inspector PAULO PEREIRA CRISTOVAO
THE top cop in the Madeleine McCann case has been accused of covering up evidence that police tortured the mother of another missing girl into confessing to murder.
Leonor Cipriano later recanted her confession, but is serving 16 years’ jail for the murder of her daughter, who vanished in Portugal’s Algarve region three years ago.
The body of Joana Cipriano, 8, has never been found.
Chief Inspector Goncalo Amaral, who heads the Policia Judiciaria in Portimao — the nearest town to Praia da Luz, from where Madeleine vanished — could appear before a secret criminal hearing as early as next month.
He is accused of concealing evidence over allegations that three of his colleagues tortured Cipriano, over 48 hours’ continuous interrogation, to secure a confession.
All four — and a fifth accused of fabricating evidence — deny the allegations. They say Cipriano was injured when she tried to kill herself by throwing herself down police station stairs.
Portugal’s police have faced increasing criticism of their handling of the McCann case. Cipriano was unable to pick out any assailants from among the accused officers. Sources say the prosecutor is now investigating the allegation that police paid outside thugs to beat her up.
One of the police officers accused of involvement in torture in the Cipriano case is recently retired chief inspector Paulo Pereira Cristovao.
He has been writing a daily column on the Madeleine case for a Portuguese newspaper that has been reporting sensational stories leaked by sources close to the police inquiry, some of which have later proved untrue. He makes it clear he considers the McCanns are probably responsible for Madeleine’s death or disappearance.
Like Chief Insp Amaral, he denies all wrongdoing in the Cipriano case."
So Chief Inspector Paulo Pereira Cristovao, who writes for a Portuguese newspaper Diário de Noticias false stories about the McCann case, is alleged to have been one of the torturers in the Cipriano case. And after that he DARED to write a book about Joana Cipriano (very sensational of course, full of propaganda against Joana's mother just like these columns he has written against McCann's)
"Also book tells of the generosity and commitment of these police that behind the apparent bluntness and irony that mark their bonds of companionship, show its deep humanity." (Google-translation)
Don't know what to say when I´m reading this kind of rubbish.
And now (since December 2007) he's a HEAD of Portugal's new foundation for missing children (Portuguese Association for Missing Children)???
I don´t know what to say again.... I feel there is no justice left in Portugal, just corruption, nothing else.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=501093&in_page_id=1770
Article above is very insulting and aggressive and it shows how disgusting (this is my opinion of him) guy he really is, full of lies and hate against Madeleine's parents.
I believe and I'm sure Joana's mother was a victim of terrible miscarriage of justice. PJ attacked to her to cover the truth about Joana's disappearance and Joana's mother had no chance to defend herself against this huge lynch and propaganda machine, because she is portuguese. Amaral has been accused of covering up evidence in her case. So what were these evidence Amaral covered up? Proved they Joana's mother innocence?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/multimedia/pa/article268226.ece
Amaral has changed to Rebelo, but nothing changed. They all are same stuff in PJ.
I hope somebody could help Joana's mother and saved her from jail. She has suffered all too much.
Sunday, January 13, 2008
It is very silent, like calm before the storm.
PSALM 64
To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.
1 Hear my voice, O God, in my prayer: preserve my life from fear of the enemy.
2 Hide me from the secret counsel of the wicked; from the insurrection of the workers of iniquity:
3 Who whet their tongue like a sword, and bend their bows to shoot their arrows, even bitter words:
4 That they may shoot in secret at the perfect: suddenly do they shoot at him, and fear not.
5 They encourage themselves in an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
6 They search out iniquities; they accomplish a diligent search: both the inward thought of every one of them, and the heart, is deep.
7 But God shall shoot at them with an arrow; suddenly shall they be wounded.
8 So they shall make their own tongue to fall upon themselves: all that see them shall flee away.
9 And all men shall fear, and shall declare the work of God; for they shall wisely consider of his doing.
10 The righteous shall be glad in the LORD, and shall trust in him; and all the upright in heart shall glory.
Saturday, January 5, 2008
And why Portugal still STINKS?
BECAUSE: 2005 The Socialists gained their first absolute majority in parliament since democracy returned to Portugal in 1974. And these Casa Pia paedophile politicians were just Socialists.
In 2002, center-right Social Democrat leader José Manuel Durão Barroso became prime minister, after the Socialist Party suffered defeats.
Victory in February 2005 elections went to the SOCIALIST PARTY by Jose Socrates. The Socialists gained their first absolute majority in parliament since democracy returned to Portugal in 1974.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,455005,00.html
Wednesday, May. 28, 2003 By ROD USHER
When a powerful politician was ar-rested last week in connection with the child-abuse scandal that has rocked Portugal since last November, it brought hope that the country's creaky, excruciatingly slow justice system was finally getting into gear. The detention of Paulo Pedroso, Socialist M.P. and former minister, was hailed by lawyers and commentators as a sign that the wealthy and influential were no longer untouchable. And so what if the police used investigating techniques that might be deemed unacceptable in other countries? Although not commenting on the merits of particular arrests, Lisbon lawyer Francisco O'Neill Marques says, "Rich and powerful people have been detained. It makes me proud to be a lawyer."
Pedroso's was one of several high-profile arrests after an interminable, eight-month police investigation into a pedophile network operating in state-run children's homes known as Casa Pia. Also placed in preventive detention was Jorge Ritto, a former ambassador to South Africa, along with a doctor, a lawyer and a TV anchorman.
The arrests came after police used controversial powers to tap the cellular phones of prominent opposition politicians, including Pedroso's mentor, Socialist leader Eduardo Ferro Rodrigues, and Antonio Costa, head of the party's parliamentary delegation. Under Portuguese law, the police are allowed to listen in on anyone's phone conversations with special judicial permission, if they believe doing so will help solve a serious crime. The Socialists smell a witch-hunt: Ferro Rodrigues said he had learned of plans to implicate him in the scandal, although Attorney General José Souto de Moura insists he is not a suspect. Party spokesman Manuel Alegre said there could be no democracy if "everyone is listening in on everyone else." Francisco Louça, spokesman for the minority Left Bloc Party, described the phone tapping as Portugal's "judicial Watergate." But the Attorney General maintained that the police had acted within their powers. He told reporters: "I myself could be [tapped] whether or not I was under suspicion, if the conversation would help discover the truth."
In 2002, center-right Social Democrat leader José Manuel Durão Barroso became prime minister, after the Socialist Party suffered defeats.
Victory in February 2005 elections went to the SOCIALIST PARTY by Jose Socrates. The Socialists gained their first absolute majority in parliament since democracy returned to Portugal in 1974.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,455005,00.html
Wednesday, May. 28, 2003 By ROD USHER
When a powerful politician was ar-rested last week in connection with the child-abuse scandal that has rocked Portugal since last November, it brought hope that the country's creaky, excruciatingly slow justice system was finally getting into gear. The detention of Paulo Pedroso, Socialist M.P. and former minister, was hailed by lawyers and commentators as a sign that the wealthy and influential were no longer untouchable. And so what if the police used investigating techniques that might be deemed unacceptable in other countries? Although not commenting on the merits of particular arrests, Lisbon lawyer Francisco O'Neill Marques says, "Rich and powerful people have been detained. It makes me proud to be a lawyer."
Pedroso's was one of several high-profile arrests after an interminable, eight-month police investigation into a pedophile network operating in state-run children's homes known as Casa Pia. Also placed in preventive detention was Jorge Ritto, a former ambassador to South Africa, along with a doctor, a lawyer and a TV anchorman.
The arrests came after police used controversial powers to tap the cellular phones of prominent opposition politicians, including Pedroso's mentor, Socialist leader Eduardo Ferro Rodrigues, and Antonio Costa, head of the party's parliamentary delegation. Under Portuguese law, the police are allowed to listen in on anyone's phone conversations with special judicial permission, if they believe doing so will help solve a serious crime. The Socialists smell a witch-hunt: Ferro Rodrigues said he had learned of plans to implicate him in the scandal, although Attorney General José Souto de Moura insists he is not a suspect. Party spokesman Manuel Alegre said there could be no democracy if "everyone is listening in on everyone else." Francisco Louça, spokesman for the minority Left Bloc Party, described the phone tapping as Portugal's "judicial Watergate." But the Attorney General maintained that the police had acted within their powers. He told reporters: "I myself could be [tapped] whether or not I was under suspicion, if the conversation would help discover the truth."
Portugal STINKS No:2
Portugal reeling over child sex abuse scandal:
The senior socialist MP Paulo Pedroso, number two in the party
and a former labour minister, was taken from parliament by police
and held for investigation three weeks ago on 15 counts of
suspected child-sex abuse.
The abuse accusations centre on Casa Pia, an austere building in
a leafy Lisbon neighbourhood, home to children without families,
or with parents too poor to care for them. Claims that boys
suffered decades of sexual abuse while the authorities did nothing
has thrown Portugal into deep shock.
Carlos Silvino, known as Bibi, was detained last autumn accused of
abusing children in his care and supplying them for sex to
socialites. Among those held on suspicion of abuse are Casa Pia's
former director, its doctor, Portugal's favourite television host,
a top comedian and a senior diplomat.
Casa Pia came under scrutiny 20 years ago when a young inmate died.
He apparently threw himself under a train after running from a car.
Officials found the home's doors open all night and youngsters in
a cruising area for male prostitutes.
Four children aged between eight and 12, missing for a fortnight,
were found in a luxury flat in nearby Cascais owned by a diplomat.
They said Mr Silvino had taken them there.
Last September, the mother of an inmate accused Mr Silvino of
sexually abusing her son. He was detained in November but insists
he is innocent. Last week he indicated he might turn state witness
and implicate influential "friends".
Pedro Strecht, a child psychologist, said "Many wouldn't speak,
for fear or shame. We are trained to recognise if children are
exaggerating or inventing stories. The testimonies we have heard
demonstrate the magnitude of the tragedy."
By Elizabeth Nash in Lisbon
16 June 2003
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/story.jsp?story=415834
The senior socialist MP Paulo Pedroso, number two in the party
and a former labour minister, was taken from parliament by police
and held for investigation three weeks ago on 15 counts of
suspected child-sex abuse.
The abuse accusations centre on Casa Pia, an austere building in
a leafy Lisbon neighbourhood, home to children without families,
or with parents too poor to care for them. Claims that boys
suffered decades of sexual abuse while the authorities did nothing
has thrown Portugal into deep shock.
Carlos Silvino, known as Bibi, was detained last autumn accused of
abusing children in his care and supplying them for sex to
socialites. Among those held on suspicion of abuse are Casa Pia's
former director, its doctor, Portugal's favourite television host,
a top comedian and a senior diplomat.
Casa Pia came under scrutiny 20 years ago when a young inmate died.
He apparently threw himself under a train after running from a car.
Officials found the home's doors open all night and youngsters in
a cruising area for male prostitutes.
Four children aged between eight and 12, missing for a fortnight,
were found in a luxury flat in nearby Cascais owned by a diplomat.
They said Mr Silvino had taken them there.
Last September, the mother of an inmate accused Mr Silvino of
sexually abusing her son. He was detained in November but insists
he is innocent. Last week he indicated he might turn state witness
and implicate influential "friends".
Pedro Strecht, a child psychologist, said "Many wouldn't speak,
for fear or shame. We are trained to recognise if children are
exaggerating or inventing stories. The testimonies we have heard
demonstrate the magnitude of the tragedy."
By Elizabeth Nash in Lisbon
16 June 2003
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/story.jsp?story=415834
Portugal STINKS No:1
Portugal's elite linked to paedophile ring
Abuse was reportedly going on at Lisbon orphanage for 20 years
Giles Tremlett in Lisbon
Wednesday November 27, 2002
The Guardian
A scandal over a paedophile ring run from a state orphanage gripped Portugal yesterday as it threatened to engulf diplomats, media personalities and senior politicians.
Photographs of unnamed senior government officials with young boys from Lisbon's Casa Pia orphanage were among the evidence reportedly available to police after they arrested a former orphanage employee called Carlos Silvino.
A number of former residents, and the mother of one boy who is still there, have denounced sexual attacks on children at what is known as Lisbon's most famous orphanage.
Mr Silvino, it was claimed, abused children himself and procured boys for a powerful group of clients.
He has publicly denied the allegations and was expected to repeat that denial at a closed-door bail hearing in Lisbon yesterday.
What has most shocked the Portuguese have been the revelations that systematic sexual abuse of children at the home had allegedly been going on for more than 20 years and had been known to police and other authorities for most of that time.
A former president, General Ramalho Eanes, was allegedly among those who knew about abuse at the home but failed to stop it.
The identity of the mysterious group of powerful paedophiles remained a secret yesterday, with only one person prepared to admit she knew at least some of the names.
Former secretary of state for families, Teresa Costa Macedo, said she had sent a dossier containing photographs and testimonies from children to the police 20 years ago but they had done nothing about it, while she was subjected to a campaign of threats.
"He [Silvino] was just one element in a huge paedophile network that involved important people in our country," Mrs Costa Macedo explained in a newspaper interview. "It wasn't just him. He was a procurer of children for well-known people who range from diplomats and politicians to people linked to the media."
The material sent to the police, which yesterday appeared to have been lost, was damning proof of the activities of the paedophile ring, Mrs Costa Macedo said.
"There are photographs, an account of the methods used to spirit children out of the orphanage and testimonies of a number of children," she explained.
Mrs Costa Macedo said that many of the photographs were found at the house of a Portuguese diplomat in the town of Estoril, 20 miles from Lisbon. Four children who had gone missing from the orphanage were discovered at the house, where they had spent several days allegedly under lock and key.
President Eanes was introduced to five boys who told him of the abuse occurring at the orphanage in 1980 but failed to act on it, according to Mrs Costa Macedo.
There was no suggestion that General Eanes, a popular and respected figure who did not comment on the allegations yesterday, was involved in the paedophile ring.
Portuguese police insisted yesterday they had no record of the documents sent to them by Mrs Costa Macedo.
She said she had been the target of a campaign of intimidation to make her stop investigating the case.
"I received anonymous threats, by phone and post. They said they would kill me, flay me and a lot of other things," she said.
That campaign had started again yesterday, she said, with threatening phone calls made to her home.
Portugal has increasingly been under the scrutiny of anti-paedophile groups who have denounced its lax laws and uninterested courts for creating a paedophiles' paradise in Europe.
Belgian and Dutch paedophile groups are reported to have operated in Portugal, with foreigners travelling to the island of Madeira to seek out young children.
Investigators from the Swiss-based Innocence in Danger group, which claims children regularly disappear from the poorer streets of Portuguese towns and cities, say they too have been harassed and threatened.
Mr Silvino claimed his accusers were making up their allegations. "It is all lies," he said.
The orphanage's director and deputy director were sacked on Monday as the government pledged to clear up the case as soon as possible.
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Abuse was reportedly going on at Lisbon orphanage for 20 years
Giles Tremlett in Lisbon
Wednesday November 27, 2002
The Guardian
A scandal over a paedophile ring run from a state orphanage gripped Portugal yesterday as it threatened to engulf diplomats, media personalities and senior politicians.
Photographs of unnamed senior government officials with young boys from Lisbon's Casa Pia orphanage were among the evidence reportedly available to police after they arrested a former orphanage employee called Carlos Silvino.
A number of former residents, and the mother of one boy who is still there, have denounced sexual attacks on children at what is known as Lisbon's most famous orphanage.
Mr Silvino, it was claimed, abused children himself and procured boys for a powerful group of clients.
He has publicly denied the allegations and was expected to repeat that denial at a closed-door bail hearing in Lisbon yesterday.
What has most shocked the Portuguese have been the revelations that systematic sexual abuse of children at the home had allegedly been going on for more than 20 years and had been known to police and other authorities for most of that time.
A former president, General Ramalho Eanes, was allegedly among those who knew about abuse at the home but failed to stop it.
The identity of the mysterious group of powerful paedophiles remained a secret yesterday, with only one person prepared to admit she knew at least some of the names.
Former secretary of state for families, Teresa Costa Macedo, said she had sent a dossier containing photographs and testimonies from children to the police 20 years ago but they had done nothing about it, while she was subjected to a campaign of threats.
"He [Silvino] was just one element in a huge paedophile network that involved important people in our country," Mrs Costa Macedo explained in a newspaper interview. "It wasn't just him. He was a procurer of children for well-known people who range from diplomats and politicians to people linked to the media."
The material sent to the police, which yesterday appeared to have been lost, was damning proof of the activities of the paedophile ring, Mrs Costa Macedo said.
"There are photographs, an account of the methods used to spirit children out of the orphanage and testimonies of a number of children," she explained.
Mrs Costa Macedo said that many of the photographs were found at the house of a Portuguese diplomat in the town of Estoril, 20 miles from Lisbon. Four children who had gone missing from the orphanage were discovered at the house, where they had spent several days allegedly under lock and key.
President Eanes was introduced to five boys who told him of the abuse occurring at the orphanage in 1980 but failed to act on it, according to Mrs Costa Macedo.
There was no suggestion that General Eanes, a popular and respected figure who did not comment on the allegations yesterday, was involved in the paedophile ring.
Portuguese police insisted yesterday they had no record of the documents sent to them by Mrs Costa Macedo.
She said she had been the target of a campaign of intimidation to make her stop investigating the case.
"I received anonymous threats, by phone and post. They said they would kill me, flay me and a lot of other things," she said.
That campaign had started again yesterday, she said, with threatening phone calls made to her home.
Portugal has increasingly been under the scrutiny of anti-paedophile groups who have denounced its lax laws and uninterested courts for creating a paedophiles' paradise in Europe.
Belgian and Dutch paedophile groups are reported to have operated in Portugal, with foreigners travelling to the island of Madeira to seek out young children.
Investigators from the Swiss-based Innocence in Danger group, which claims children regularly disappear from the poorer streets of Portuguese towns and cities, say they too have been harassed and threatened.
Mr Silvino claimed his accusers were making up their allegations. "It is all lies," he said.
The orphanage's director and deputy director were sacked on Monday as the government pledged to clear up the case as soon as possible.
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Leonor Cipriano's husband: 'These cops framed my wife'
http://tinyurl.com/2uv2zg
"By OLIVER HARVEY
Chief Feature Writer
September 08, 2007
THE husband of a Portuguese woman jailed for the murder of her child spoke last night of his fears for Kate McCann.
Leandro Silva said his wife had been set up and he believed police would do the same thing to four-year-old Madeleine’s mother.
He said: “I am worried Kate will be framed for a crime she did not commit, the way it happened to my wife.”
Leandro also demanded that one of the detectives leading the Maddie investigation should be dropped from the case.
Detective Goncalo Amaral has been accused of being involved with beating Leandro’s wife, Leonor Cipriano, during her interrogation over the death of her daughter, Joana, nine.
Speaking exclusively to The Sun, Leandro said: “Goncalo Amaral shouldn’t still be investigating the McCann case.
“I believe he will be proved to be a bad policeman and a bad operator.
“I don’t believe Kate and Gerry have anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance.
“I just don’t believe they would do such a thing. After losing Joana I know the pain they are going through. It’s terrible.”
In news that shocked the world Kate McCann was yesterday declared an “arguida” — Portuguese for suspect — in the hunt for Maddie.
And the story of little Joana Cipriano has some chilling echoes of the British child’s disappearance.
Joana vanished on September 12, 2004, just seven miles from the spot where Madeleine went missing on May 3.
The innocent, brown-eyed youngster, her chestnut hair cut into a boyish crop, set off from home in the village of Figueira to collect groceries.
But she never returned. Like Maddie, it was as if Joana had disappeared off the face of the Earth."
"By OLIVER HARVEY
Chief Feature Writer
September 08, 2007
THE husband of a Portuguese woman jailed for the murder of her child spoke last night of his fears for Kate McCann.
Leandro Silva said his wife had been set up and he believed police would do the same thing to four-year-old Madeleine’s mother.
He said: “I am worried Kate will be framed for a crime she did not commit, the way it happened to my wife.”
Leandro also demanded that one of the detectives leading the Maddie investigation should be dropped from the case.
Detective Goncalo Amaral has been accused of being involved with beating Leandro’s wife, Leonor Cipriano, during her interrogation over the death of her daughter, Joana, nine.
Speaking exclusively to The Sun, Leandro said: “Goncalo Amaral shouldn’t still be investigating the McCann case.
“I believe he will be proved to be a bad policeman and a bad operator.
“I don’t believe Kate and Gerry have anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance.
“I just don’t believe they would do such a thing. After losing Joana I know the pain they are going through. It’s terrible.”
In news that shocked the world Kate McCann was yesterday declared an “arguida” — Portuguese for suspect — in the hunt for Maddie.
And the story of little Joana Cipriano has some chilling echoes of the British child’s disappearance.
Joana vanished on September 12, 2004, just seven miles from the spot where Madeleine went missing on May 3.
The innocent, brown-eyed youngster, her chestnut hair cut into a boyish crop, set off from home in the village of Figueira to collect groceries.
But she never returned. Like Maddie, it was as if Joana had disappeared off the face of the Earth."
THIS is PJ's style to investigate disappearance's of portuguese children!
PJ is full of evil! They are all sadist's! Please save Joana's mother, she is victim of miscarriage of justice, because she only wanted to find her daughter!
Leonor Cipriano, Joana's mother after torture of PJ.
Leonor Cipriano, Joana's mother after torture of PJ.
Very nervous Malinka: I don´t rape little kids (Who claimed you does?)
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1266349,00.html
"Russian computer expert Sergey Malinka insists he is innocent and has no idea where she may be.
He claims he only has a professional relationship with the main suspect, Robert Murat.
He also insists reports he has past convictions for sexual offences are lies.
Portuguese police say they are investigating telephone calls between Mr Malinka and Mr Murat on the night Madeleine vanished.
It is now 15 days since she was snatched from her family's holiday flat in Praia Da Luz.
Mr Malinka, 22, told Sky's Amanda Walker he wanted to clear his name and knew nothing about Madeleine's disappearance.
He said the first time he heard about the youngster was "the following day of the tragedy".
False information had damaged his name, he claimed, adding he would ask the media to leave him alone.
"I want to get on with my life...and I want to clear my name," he said.
He said he felt "hurt" by the media.
He described his relationship with Mr Murat as "strictly professional".
He said he had a clean record, adding: "I don't rape little kids. I'm a normal man."
Malinka an Murat are BOTH LIARS!
Mr Murat had made a late-night call to Sergey Malinka, 22, a Russian computer expert living in Praia da Luz, shortly after Madeleine vanished. The call, from Mr Murat's mobile phone, is alleged to have taken place at 11.40pm. Yet earlier in the week, Mr Murat had claimed that he had not spoken to Mr Malinka "for months".
So why don´t ANYONE investigate these liars and their connections? PJ just protects them!
By the way, do you think Malinka looks like 22-years old? I don't think so! He look's much older, maybe between 30-40.
Thursday, January 3, 2008
Is Romigen just cover - for what?
I found this from here:
http://missingchild.wordpress.com/2007/05/17/romigen-and-missing-madeleine/
"May 18, 2007 at 5:07 pm
I am living in Switzerland, but my mother tongue and origin is German. I checked the German website content of “romigen.com” and found it
- overall technocratic in language expression and full of wrong grammar and inappropriate words - compared to a fluent German mother tongue. The whole text appears as translated from a machine and thereafter never read though or revised for corrections. (The site was established already in Spring 2006)
- if this girlfriend of Robert Murat - Michaela W. - would be really German, and genuinely interested in real estate business via this website - they would have put genuine interest into a thrustworthy language concerning their enterprise.
I would neither buy nor ever offer an item via this address.
I am much doubtful this site was never designed for what it pretends to be dealing with…
May 20, 2007 at 9:13 pm
I don’t understand how a business website has so many grammar errors and is completely empty. It seems Robert Murant left a job that granted him 6000€/month to dedicate entirely to this business. They are not selling anything. I’ve searched all the portuguese states and they don’t have anything available to buy/sell/rent… Some code of the page appears in russian, and it’s impossible to understand.
September 9, 2007 at 5:20 am
NOT sure if it’s been said in here, bu when you check that website (www.romigen.com) with http://www.waybackmachine.org
you’ll find out that the first update was 18 may 2007. And that nothing was on it before that date…"
Romigen-pages are not exist anymore.
http://missingchild.wordpress.com/2007/05/17/romigen-and-missing-madeleine/
"May 18, 2007 at 5:07 pm
I am living in Switzerland, but my mother tongue and origin is German. I checked the German website content of “romigen.com” and found it
- overall technocratic in language expression and full of wrong grammar and inappropriate words - compared to a fluent German mother tongue. The whole text appears as translated from a machine and thereafter never read though or revised for corrections. (The site was established already in Spring 2006)
- if this girlfriend of Robert Murat - Michaela W. - would be really German, and genuinely interested in real estate business via this website - they would have put genuine interest into a thrustworthy language concerning their enterprise.
I would neither buy nor ever offer an item via this address.
I am much doubtful this site was never designed for what it pretends to be dealing with…
May 20, 2007 at 9:13 pm
I don’t understand how a business website has so many grammar errors and is completely empty. It seems Robert Murant left a job that granted him 6000€/month to dedicate entirely to this business. They are not selling anything. I’ve searched all the portuguese states and they don’t have anything available to buy/sell/rent… Some code of the page appears in russian, and it’s impossible to understand.
September 9, 2007 at 5:20 am
NOT sure if it’s been said in here, bu when you check that website (www.romigen.com) with http://www.waybackmachine.org
you’ll find out that the first update was 18 may 2007. And that nothing was on it before that date…"
Romigen-pages are not exist anymore.
Tuesday, January 1, 2008
Child porn on computer?
It has been reported that several links to paedophile websites, encrypted emails and messages were found on three computers removed from Murat’s home during a dramatic police raid on Monday.
It was also claimed that video tapes showing depraved sexual acts and bestiality were also found at the Villa Liliana, where Murat lives with his elderly mother Jennifer.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/7230
MADELEINE McCann suspect Robert Murat viewed child pornography on his computer, it was revealed yesterday.
Briton Murat, 33, visited a string of depraved websites.
He lives yards from the Portuguese holiday flat where Maddie, four, was snatched.
A police source said: “Examination of Mr Murat’s computer has confirmed an unhealthy appetite for deeply disturbing material.
“There is no direct link between what was found and Madeleine.
“But officers are describing it as a ‘relevant sexual history’.”
Murat’s ex-boss Paul Titcombe, 49, called him “a huge porn fan, addicted to women.”
http://tinyurl.com/3bz9f5
CHILD PORN ON COMPUTER? HEY YOU THERE IN PORTUGAL! DON´T YOU KNOW CHILD PORN ON COMPUTER IS ILLEGAL!!!
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January 19th, 2008 at 9:32 am
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jean Says:
January 19th, 2008 at 2:50 am
………even though Anorak wasn’t a site for the likes of myself, Maggie, Isla, and the rest who have the genuine concern for this precious little girl…
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That remark is typical of the deeply offensive attitude which has so often been expressed here.
You do not have a monopoly in genuine concern for Madeleine, and the claim that you do is abusive to all the people who have worked to make Anorak available to us, as well as to those posters who take differing views on the 3 arguidos…
Mods and AdminI find their intolerance of anyone who isn’t inspired bythe McC’s quite astonishing, and yet in real life a good 80% of the population doubt them. I also find the abuse from some of the posters on here really amazng, but I suppose thats the downside of free speech.
Perhaps the more vocal on here might set up their own site. and we can come along and do unto them? Would we be tolerated for a moment though?"